
Interview by Frank Horvat of Joseph Koudelka:
Frank Horvat : You ask if I have made
good use of my vision. I believe I have used it too little. Photographers
like Henri (Cartier-Bresson) always have a camera with them and are looking
all the time. I don't know how to do that. Right now, for example, I am
not looking, my mind is occupied by words.
Joseph Koudelka : What do you mean by
"I am not looking"?
Frank Horvat : I am not looking with the
idea to make a photograph.
Joseph Koudelka : How are you looking?

Frank Horvat : I am seeing only a few
of things around me. Only those that I want to see.
Joseph Koudelka : But to see what you
want to see, you have to look. And to choose..
Frank Horvat : It seems to me that, to
see "photographically", I have to prepare myself in advance.
Possibly for a long time. For instance it would be difficult for me, on
my way out from here, to make photos of Paris. To see, I would have to
go to another city, say to New York, live in a hotel room by myself and
start walking through the streets, at first without a camera. And little
by little I would begin to see. In the same way, I wouldn't know how to
make a portrait of a woman, just off the hip. I would have to think about
her, to imagine her. She would have to prepare herself or to be prepared
with someone's help. And even then, when I would eventually be facing
her, with my camera, I might not feel ready. It could take me two or three
hours to understand her, little by little, through the viewfinder.
Joseph Koudelka : Perhaps because you
want to understand. Me, I do not try to understand. For me, the
most beautiful thing is to wake up, to go out, and to look. At everything.
Without anyone telling me "You should look at this or that."
I look at everything and I try to find what interests me, because when
I set out, I don't yet know what will interest me. Sometimes I photograph
things that others would find stupid, but with which I can play around.
Henri as well says that before meeting a person, or seeing a country,
he has to prepare himself. Not me, I try to react to what comes up. Afterwards,
I may come back to it, perhaps every year, ten years in a row, and I will
end by understanding.

Frank Horvat : You prepare yourself in
your way. I imagine that when you find a subject that interests you, your
photo is, in a way, already prepared within you. As if you had set up
a place into which it fits.
Joseph Koudelka : What's "my photo"?
Frank Horvat : Your photos often
are recognizable, which is to say that they have something in common.
Maybe the space between the figures, and the tensions within that space.
Joseph Koudelka : That is the gist of
my question. Your time, not only your eyes.
Frank Horvat : Look, I met you in person
only about an hour ago, though I am familiar with your photos and I remember
a few things that I have been told about you. If I had to express the
idea that I have of you, in a single sentence, I would say "He lives
out of a sleeping bag." That would sum up your way of using your
time, which is different from mine, and probably more efficient. It's
not that I am dissatisfied with my own life. But I know that too often
I have done things that didn't really interest me, or that distracted
me from what I thought was my real purpose, because I forced myself to
respond to the ideas or the desires of others. I believe that if I was
allowed to move back and to relive some hours of my life, the moments
I would choose would be those when I was photographing for myself, in
the streets of New York or in India. Or even some moments in the studio,
when making portraits.
Joseph Koudelka : Personally, I have had
the good fortune of always being able to do what I wanted, never working
for others. Maybe it is a silly principle, but the idea that no one can
buy me is important for me. I refuse assignments, even for projects that
I have decided to do anyhow. It is somewhat the same with my books. When
my first book, the one on the gypsies, was published, it was hard for
me to accept the idea that I could no longer choose the people to whom
I would show my photos, that any one could buy them.
Frank Horvat : What are your points of
reference - I mean in literature, in painting, in music?

Joseph Koudelka : There are a few things
that I like very much, but that I do not practice. I have always played
music, and I would like to listen to it more than I do, but I don't have
the opportunity, due to the lack of time and place. When I was a kid,
I did a lot of reading, then a little less during my studies, and hardly
any since I left Czechoslovakia - always for the same reason, because
I do not have a place of my own. When I travel, I don't even know where
I am going to sleep, I don't think of the place where I will lie down
until the moment I roll out my sleeping bag. It's a rule that I've set
for myself. Because I told myself that I must be able to sleep anywhere,
since sleep is important. In the summer I often sleep outdoors. I stop
working when there is no more light, and I start again in the early morning.
I do not feel this to be a sacrifice, it would be a sacrifice to live
otherwise. As for my points of reference, I don't know what they would
be.
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